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'''Frederick John Rosenthal''' (1923 | '''Frederick John Rosenthal''' (born 1923) was a German-born U.S. Army private first class who arrived at [[Camp Ritchie]] on 24 November 1943 and was a member of [[:Category:Class 15|Class 15]] (alerted overseas before completing the course). | ||
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== Biography == | == Biography == | ||
Frederick John Rosenthal (Fred) was born in 1923 in Germany. After | Frederick John Rosenthal (Fred; also John) was born in 1923 in Germany. After the Army Specialized Training Program (ASTP), he was promoted to private first class and ordered to the Military Intelligence Training Center at [[Camp Ritchie]], Maryland. Following a two-day train trip he arrived on 24 November 1943, writing later that he wanted a “more active and positive role in this war against tyranny.” | ||
Research notes also record a later transfer toward Signal Corps work (SIG). | He was a member of [[:Category:Class 15|Class 15]] but, as he later told Ritchie History Museum director Landon Grove, he did not complete the course before being alerted for overseas assignment. Research notes also record a later transfer toward Signal Corps work (SIG). In about 2023 he recorded a video interview with Grove about his wartime experiences. | ||
== Research notes == | == Research notes == | ||
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* ASTP; transferred to SIG (prior research note; retained). | * ASTP; transferred to SIG (prior research note; retained). | ||
* Title expanded from Fred J. to Frederick John per family/user naming and memoir voice; ASN 32860017 unchanged. | * Title expanded from Fred J. to Frederick John per family/user naming and memoir voice; ASN 32860017 unchanged. | ||
* Death year 1991 previously on the roster page was incorrect — interviewed by Landon Grove c. 2023; death fields cleared pending a reliable date. | |||
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* ASTP (Army Specialized Training Program); promoted to PFC. | * ASTP (Army Specialized Training Program); promoted to PFC. | ||
* 24 November 1943 — Arrives Camp Ritchie, Maryland (memoir). | * 24 November 1943 — Arrives Camp Ritchie, Maryland (memoir). | ||
* Class 15 — Member; alerted overseas before completing the course (per interview with Landon Grove). | |||
* Later — Research notes: transferred toward Signal (SIG). | * Later — Research notes: transferred toward Signal (SIG). | ||
* | * c. 2023 — Video interview with Landon Grove, Ritchie History Museum. | ||
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== Sources == | == Sources == | ||
* Personal memoir excerpt (Camp Ritchie arrival 24 November 1943; RB Archive / family) | |||
* [[Ritchie Boy Interviews#Frederick John Rosenthal|Ritchie Boy Interviews — conversation with Landon Grove]] ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J011zqZWUiQ YouTube]) | |||
* Personal memoir excerpt (RB Archive / family materials; Camp Ritchie arrival narrative) | * Personal memoir excerpt (RB Archive / family materials; Camp Ritchie arrival narrative) | ||
* [[:File:Rosenthal_Frederick_John_32860017_memoir_Camp_Ritchie_arrival.jpg|Memoir excerpt — Camp Ritchie arrival 24 November 1943]] | * [[:File:Rosenthal_Frederick_John_32860017_memoir_Camp_Ritchie_arrival.jpg|Memoir excerpt — Camp Ritchie arrival 24 November 1943]] | ||
Revision as of 04:03, 19 September 2026
| Frederick John Rosenthal | |
|---|---|
| Personal details | |
| Birth name | Fred J. Rosenthal Fred Rosenthal John Rosenthal |
| Born | 1923 |
| Nativity | Germany |
| Religion | Jewish |
| Military service | |
| Allegiance |  United States |
| Branch |  United States Army |
| ASN | 32860017 |
| Rank | Private First Class |
| Camp Ritchie | Class 15 (4 January – 3 March 1944) |
| Enlisted | New York City, New York |
Interview Watch Frederick John Rosenthal on Conversation with Landon Grove.
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Frederick John Rosenthal (born 1923) was a German-born U.S. Army private first class who arrived at Camp Ritchie on 24 November 1943 and was a member of Class 15 (alerted overseas before completing the course).
Biography
Frederick John Rosenthal (Fred; also John) was born in 1923 in Germany. After the Army Specialized Training Program (ASTP), he was promoted to private first class and ordered to the Military Intelligence Training Center at Camp Ritchie, Maryland. Following a two-day train trip he arrived on 24 November 1943, writing later that he wanted a “more active and positive role in this war against tyranny.”
He was a member of Class 15 but, as he later told Ritchie History Museum director Landon Grove, he did not complete the course before being alerted for overseas assignment. Research notes also record a later transfer toward Signal Corps work (SIG). In about 2023 he recorded a video interview with Grove about his wartime experiences.
Research notes
- ASTP; transferred to SIG
- ASTP; transferred to SIG (prior research note; retained).
- Title expanded from Fred J. to Frederick John per family/user naming and memoir voice; ASN 32860017 unchanged.
- Death year 1991 previously on the roster page was incorrect — interviewed by Landon Grove c. 2023; death fields cleared pending a reliable date.
Gallery
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Technical record
| Field | Imported value |
|---|---|
| Approx Age at Death | 68 |
| Nara ASN | 32860017 |
| Nara Name | ROSENTHAL FRED J |
| Nara State | 23 |
| Nara County | 61 |
| Nara POE | 2364 |
| Nara DOE | 110343 |
| Nara Grade Alpha | PVT |
| Nara Grade Code | 8 |
| Nara Branch Alpha | NO |
| Nara Branch Code | 2 |
| Branch | No branch assignment |
| Nara Term or Enlistment | 5 |
| Term of enlistment | Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law |
| Defer. Date | 0 |
| Nara Source | 0 |
| Nara Nativity | N1 |
| Nara Year of Birth | 23 |
| Nara Race | J |
| Nara Race Description | White not yet a citizen |
| Nara Education | 7 |
| Nara Civilian Occupation | 405 |
| Nara Marital Status | 6 |
| Nara Height (inches) | 33 |
| Nara Weight (lbs) | 129 |
| row_source | demographics |
Timeline
- 1923 — Born in Germany.
- ASTP (Army Specialized Training Program); promoted to PFC.
- 24 November 1943 — Arrives Camp Ritchie, Maryland (memoir).
- Class 15 — Member; alerted overseas before completing the course (per interview with Landon Grove).
- Later — Research notes: transferred toward Signal (SIG).
- c. 2023 — Video interview with Landon Grove, Ritchie History Museum.
Sources
- Personal memoir excerpt (Camp Ritchie arrival 24 November 1943; RB Archive / family)
- Ritchie Boy Interviews — conversation with Landon Grove (YouTube)
- Personal memoir excerpt (RB Archive / family materials; Camp Ritchie arrival narrative)
- Memoir excerpt — Camp Ritchie arrival 24 November 1943
- Wartime PFC portrait
- Camp Ritchie Museum, Inc. (The Ritchie History Museum), Classes 1–31 roster data
- Dan Gross research spreadsheets, including original Excel timeline/roster work, combined with other research and records
- NARA World War II Army enlistment records (where a NARA ASN is present)
- 1940 U.S. Census (where a census match is present)
